Macska a Limmatban

Macska a Limmatban E16 [ENG] - From Bulawayo to Bahnhofstrasse

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Macska a Limmatban
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2025. 10. 23.
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[Music] Watchani [Music] and we are listening to Matchka.

Hi guys. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> We were promising for a long time that we're going to come up with a second um English episode. >> And here we are. >> Yeah. >> With me. >> With Wayne.

Hi Wayne. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> And with Victor. >> Hello. >> And me Danielle. >> We not used to say our names.

It's okay. >> We we actually um I was just thinking today as I edited this week's episode that we are not really telling our names.

I mean we say each other like Victor go and [ __ ] yourself and stuff like this.

So the latest then the our listeners realize how are we called but we never introduce ourselves. >> No >> which we just changed today. >> Should we >> on the this 16th episode going forward >> we will. >> Yeah.

In my culture, that's how you, you know, you always open a conversation. >> Yeah, we don't have culture.

We are from Eastern Europe. >> What culture? >> Our culture is the leftover from Western Europe. >> Yeah, that's not great, huh? >> What the dump there? >> Yeah. >> Speaking of the Hungarian >> slender.

Um, how you feel today? >> Um, feeling good.

Uh, it's been a decent week work-wise. is not too busy.

Um, but it's also I'm a teacher, so it's getting to the end of the term um, when we're recording this and I am excited for the holidays.

I don't want to hear all the booze from people.

It's like, ah, teachers, you always have time off.

But it's hard working with kids. >> But it's actually the case. >> Yeah.

You don't know until you have them. >> Yeah.

Um, I think that's pretty much um, makes sense.

In Hungary, we have a different uh it's it's differently set or like uh divided the breaks.

We have like a huge super long summer holiday like over >> it's like 10 weeks maybe.

It's more than two months. >> It's like two and a half months.

It's usually mid June to beginning of September. >> Yeah.

But therefore our um autumn and spring holiday is quite short.

It's just like u we have a n national holiday in October.

So around that time around the 23rd we have one and >> it's usually like a week or so. >> Uh not that much anymore. >> And then we have the winter break which is usually like two weeks I think. >> Okay. >> Not even.

No, lately just really the school just ends right before Christmas and it starts on the 2nd of January if it's on a >> like a week.

So it's like a good week, let's say.

But if if they are kids are not lucky and the teachers that it can be like super tight. >> Yeah.

I like the spread of how they do it in like cuz we are bilingual school so we follow the Zurich timetable and so you have basically every holiday is 2 weeks except for the summer holiday which is 5 weeks and so and and they're parcled out throughout the year.

So you get two weeks in October, you get two weeks December, January, two weeks in February, two weeks end of April, and then the summer break.

So >> yeah, but I think that's way better. >> Definitely piece it out.

Yeah, cuz 10 10 weeks and what I mean after 3 weeks you're like, "Yay, okay, I've done something." But like who goes on holiday for 10 weeks?

Like I don't not teachers don't earn that much. >> Well, in Hungary, even less.

So imagine what uh what they feel like when they just can't really I mean I know many teachers um >> um who are just doing some second job that time so they can earn some money.

I mean it's paid holidays of course but uh but they earn so badly that um actually uh it doesn't really belong really to the topic but it just popped in my mind where I was in Kygistan uh we were doing uh like in a we were in this tent camp or this yurt yurt camp and I was we had like a horse back riding too and we were talking with one of the guys who was a teacher and he's also doing this uh during the summer so on the they also like a longer summer vacation.

It's maybe some Soviet thing actually or that's how we get it because all the Eastern European >> could be I I'm not sure exactly where it it's coming from.

It might be something related to agriculture or also it could be something related to the actual weather in Hungary in the summer cuz it's it's hot.

It's like 3540° uh and it's unbearable.

Uh the schools don't have ACs so at least you can be in the shade or you can be outside or something. >> Yeah.

Anyway, so I just what I just popped in my mind that the guy was working with this on this horse horseback riding thing and he was telling me like like Kyan is not is even less rich than Hungary, let's say.

And what he was collecting money there because he didn't have to pay basically for anything.

He was collecting money and I was asking like yeah what's your dream or what are you collecting money for?

And he was like yeah his dream would be to buy one in one or two years a refrigerator.

I mean, that's his and it's not like a new one like the first one. >> Yeah, >> that was a bit of a hush.

Just >> it's kind of an eye openener when you face or when you realize that other people have very different problems than we do here. >> Yeah.

I mean, just like coming back to that uh what we were saying about like teachers and holidays and the money to travel and stuff.

I think I'm talking then more from the international school um perspective which is then yeah like it's a lot of wealthy expats um globe trottting while teaching as well um but uh one of the reasons that I wanted to also move to Switzerland is because if I was a teacher in South Africa or Zimbabwe I would have to have found a really really good school um in order to have some kind of lifestyle similar to the one I would have here.

I mean in South Africa maybe a bit more easily but in Zimbabwe um definitely like no chance to Yeah. to to have anything even comparable to to what I've had here. >> Yeah, >> it's kind of the same for us from >> Hungary.

After our quite normal, you will get used to it.

The detour right in the beginning.

Uh so but you you you could uh get us back to the to the topic of um which we're going to talk a bit about probably where you're from. >> Um >> cuz I'm a teacher. >> Uh yeah, but like >> Oh, you haven't mentioned that yet. >> 7 minutes about that. >> Can you tell us a little bit more? >> By the way, I work with children. >> Okay, we got that.

So, uh, you're from Zimbabwe, right?

And, um, we I mean like I think in the first show we have like a lot of Hungarian listeners or listeners who whose mother tongue is Hungarian.

And um, maybe some not, but I'm quite sure that the Hungarians does not know much about Zimbabwe.

So let's um uh do some I just put a little bit of informations together but you're going to tell them bigger part.

So Zimbabwe is four times bigger than Hungary and uh according to the survey in 2022 it had more or less 15 million people >> when it's located in the south of Africa. >> So northeast from South Africa >> right?

So South Africa is down on the bottom and then we are one of the countries that's just um uh north of South Africa and then we've got um Mozabek on one side, we've got Botswana and Zambia on another side.

We are almost touching with Namibia but actually if you zoom in on a map >> I know.

Yeah, you've also seen that. >> Yes.

So uh and then yeah those are those are the countries that we border but like basically southern Africa.

But what you touch instead? >> Hey, >> what like what is what is in between these 200 m? >> Um, it's a river, the Zambbezi River. >> Okay. >> So, it's because there's like they would need to build a specific bridge in a different in a way and yeah, they just don't have the funds or interest in to to make that connection. >> Okay.

So, um yeah, and the your country has uh 16 official languages. um let's say 15 because I think one of them is the sign language if I remember right from official okay so I know that there are very many um smaller uh tribes and groups in the country like uh like when I think of it in terms of official language I think of the language that the documents are in.

So for example, my Zimbabwe passport is in English Inda. >> Okay.

And which language was the your introduction or your welcome? >> Uh the welcome was Ind. >> Okay.

Which is you speak in that area where you're from? >> Yes.

So that is um like if you like um simplifying it um in the north of Zimbabwe or the majority of the north of Zimbabwe you have like Mashana land is the province or Canton and there is predominantly Shauna and then in the south of Zimbabwe like a smaller part of the country um size-wise is the Matable land and that's where the indes are from.

There's also like other smaller groups and stuff scattered in uh in the mix, but those are the two predominant um main tribes in the country.

And yeah, there's some drama between them. >> You call them tribes. >> Um yeah.

I think uh that's yeah, that's always how I like refer to when you when you think of the that separation that exists between like these two people groups.

Uh >> yeah, because if if if you if you translate this to Hungarian, it sounds a bit weird or like a bit prehistorical or I don't know.

But I don't know even know whatever. >> It probably is like very much so because we were colonized by you know good old mother England and you do know like how they like to refer to many things in a derogatory sense.

Um but yeah, just like with many things on that continent, uh we absorbed so much of what these outsiders brought and now it just perpetuates, but people don't even realize why it's being used or how or like how it comes into the mix.

So yeah, we we call it tribes probably because that's like what the white guys back then in the day like called and and and and mentioned to us and then like when we learned from them, we learned that word to describe ourselves and now it's just a word that we continue to describe ourselves. >> Yeah.

What's the tension between these two tribes? >> Okay.

So hopefully nobody important is going to be there.

Um like so ever since Zimbabwe gained its independence in like 1980 um like Mugab was a former dictator who was pretty much the the main uh main dude even though he only became president in 88.

Um he was prime minister up until then.

Um but yeah so he is from this majority Shauna party. um and the main uh government party who continue to miraculously win every election that has happened um since the history of these elections in my opinion.

Um often by a landslide victory um and there's definitely no voter intimidation that happens. >> No, not at all. >> None at all by >> I think they get their playbook from some of you guys.

I'm I'm I'm pretty sure that there's some of these politicians who during the liberation struggle, so like the late '7s and stuff, um were brought into um like uh communist Europe like or or socialist Europe to to learn and be taught like you know these different like the art of war um like there there was a lot of support for these like guerilla groups who were um um revoling against the like supre like supremacy of of colonialism and they got very much support for that, >> right? >> Um and so yeah, like you know the the playbook is probably the same and and that's how these guys managed to maintain their power and and extend it.

And so um like it wasn't really until I think you even coming here and like being a few years in Switzerland where like in discussions with my mom like I realized that there has been this very much um uh deliberate um undermining of the south of the country um with the deba population by the Shauna population um because they are the main power they are the majority um numbers wise as well.

The government is all of them.

Um to the point where um any kind of um like to to have a a company like uh that's that trades on the um public thing, it needs to have its head office in the capital city.

And so this ruling has shut down a lot of industry like the manufacturing and production stuff in Bulo.

And even now like when you when you see Bulway which is the second biggest city and then the capital city Harari Harar could be some some parts of it could be in Europe like you know there's so much happening there there's so much development there there's so much going on and like because everything is very centralized there um the other thing counter side of it just as an aside is that when there was political upheaval and all those sorts of things happening it was mostly um isolated to Harrari, you know, that was the hot spot.

So, like in Boueo, you know, you'd hear about these things that were happening, but there wasn't really too much going on that was like super violent or super dangerous like during these times of instability. >> What was the actual reason behind it?

Why why they made this uh rules?

Um I guess it is yeah like a to use that uh word a a tribal mentality of like you know we are better than you and like we like we don't want to see you guys because then you might come and try to take us so we are going to yeah our people are better >> but like are there major differences between okay the language is different how how different is the language how different is the culture how different are the people >> the language full stop is >> that's just the language like I mean Shauna Zimbabweans and Debella Zimbabweans like you know you like you we're all from the same country like we all have the same things and influences and all of that and it's just like what what you speak um like I remember um like we we spoke English at home growing up um and so my deble isn't like too it's it's not like fluent fluent um and then I don't really know Shauna as well because we never really spoke it.

Um, but there's uh many Shauna people who expect indel people to know Shauna, but then they don't on…

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