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A Dunakavicsok turisztikai podcast #43.a. részében a műsorvezetők, Balázs Kovács és István Nagy-Szász, a turizmus jövőjét és az új turizmus trendjeit vitatják meg 2026 kapcsán. Szó esik a 2025. őszi konferenciákról, a technológiai átalakulásról, a mesterséges intelligencia…

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Dunakavicsok turisztikai podcast
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2026. 01. 23.
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17 perc
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Nagy-Szász István
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turizmus jövője, turizmus trendek, technológiai átalakulás, mesterséges intelligencia
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Imagine you are sitting there planning your next year. >> You're looking at the calendar for 2026, thinking about where to travel, maybe a conference, maybe just a vacation.

It feels like a simple decision, right? >> It usually does.

Mountains or beach, hotel or rental, >> but underneath that simple planning, the uh tectonic plates of the entire world are shifting.

We aren't just talking about flight prices going up. >> No, we're finding some new trendy spot.

We are talking about high-tech anxiety, massive economic crises in the heart of Europe, and well, eating pine buds in a forest. >> It sounds like a strange mix, doesn't it?

Yeah, >> but that is exactly what we are diving into today. >> It is. >> We're looking at a sort of state of the union for the travel and tourism industry as we pivot from late 2025 into 2026. >> Exactly.

And our source material for today is absolute gold.

We are doing a deep dive into the Dunikavak podcast, specifically their 43rd episode >> recorded just recently in December 2025. >> And the hosts Kovox Balaz is reporting from Vienna and Nagisawas Istvon from Budapest basically laid out a road map for what they call new tourism >> and new tourism isn't just a marketing buzzword here.

I mean that's the mission of this deep dive, >> right?

We are going to explore how this whole concept is moving from theory to you know actual reality.

It's about the intersection of AI anxiety, the grounding power of nature >> and some very harsh economic realities facing central Europe right now. >> So get ready to connect some dots.

You probably didn't think we're connected.

We've got a conference where everyone has the exact same name. >> An astronaut's view of the planet >> and the price of a hotel room in Vienna.

So where do we even start with a mix like that?

Well, let's start with movement, actual physical movement. >> Okay, >> we need to look at the Eurovvel conference that happened at Lake Balaton in Hungary back in late September 2025. >> Right.

Now, usually when I hear it cycling conference, I think of a small group of enthusiasts maybe debating tire pressure. >> Sure. >> But looking at the source material, this wasn't that at all. >> Not at all.

The stats here are pretty impressive.

We're talking about 350 participants >> from how many countries? >> From 31 countries.

It was actually the first time Hungary hosted this and the vibe was very professional.

This was an industry summit, >> not a hobbyist meetup. >> Exactly.

And the visual that really jumped out at me from the report was the fleet.

They didn't just talk about bikes, they showed them. >> What do you mean? >> They showcased a fleet of 1,000 highquality ebikes provided by the Bellaton Bike 365 project. >> A thousand? >> 1,000.

That signals that this isn't a niche anymore.

When you have a thousand ebikes ready to roll, you are building industrialcale infrastructure. >> That's a serious statement.

But there was a specific quote from the conference that really stuck with me. >> What was that? >> It was where it's good to cycle, it's good to live. >> That is the key insight.

It reframes tourism completely. >> How so? >> It suggests that cycling infrastructure isn't just for the visitor to have a nice afternoon.

It's a metric for the livability of the destination itself. >> Right?

Because if you build a place where you can cycle safely and happily, you've inadvertently built a place where people actually want to exist. >> Precisely.

Historically, tourism infrastructure was often built for the tourist, sometimes at the expense of the local. >> Think giant parking lots for tour buses. >> Exactly.

It says the resident experience and the tourist experience are converging. >> And speaking of existing in a place, the host shared this really poetic aha moment from the conference.

Oh yeah. >> Apparently the weather had been gloomy all day, just gray and miserable.

And then the group gathers at the Tiffany Ferry crossing >> and the sun breaks through. >> Exactly.

The clouds part, the sun hits the water.

And it symbolized this feeling that the region was finally ready for the international stage. >> It's a nice metaphor.

Cycling tourism is shifting from a niche activity to a primary way of living a destination, >> not just visiting it. >> You aren't behind glass in a bus.

You are exposed to the elements, the people, the landscape. >> But then we have to make a pretty sharp pivot here. >> We do >> because while people are out there happily cycling on ebikes, there was a much darker or at least more anxious conversation happening nearby >> at the Budapest Tourism Summit in October. >> Yeah.

This is where we transition from the physical to the intellectual and maybe the existential. >> Oh, sure.

The summit featured a presentation by Omar Hatamlay, the former AI director at NASA, and he laid out a progression for artificial intelligence that is well sobering is the polite way to put it. >> I read through his points in the notes and it definitely gave me pause.

He broke it down into three phases of evolution right? >> Correct.

Phase one is where we are now mostly humans use AI as assistance. >> Okay.

We ask it to draft an email, plan an itinerary, that sort of thing. >> We are the masters.

The machine is the tool. >> That feels comfortable.

That's manageable. >> Then comes phase two.

This is when AI starts using humans as assistants. >> What does that look like? >> Think about algorithmic management.

An app telling a delivery driver where to go or a system prompting a human to verify a data point.

The machine directs the workflow >> and the human executes the task.

That's already happening in the gig economy, isn't it? >> It is.

But phase three, that's the one that keeps people up at night. >> Let me guess.

That's when AI uses AI as assistance. >> The closed the loop. >> Exactly.

The machines communicate, assign tasks, execute, and iterate without any human intervention. >> Yeah. >> We are just bystanders. >> That is the nightmare scenario for a lot of people.

And according to the source material, that anxiety was palpable at the summit. >> Yeah.

They talked about this intense FOMO fear of missing out in the tech world right now. >> I can imagine >> it's intense.

The development is moving so fast that people are literally scared to take a lunch break. >> You're kidding. >> No.

They feel that if they step away for an hour, they might miss a paradigm shift.

By the time they get back with their sandwich, the world has changed. >> That sounds absolutely exhausting.

It's not sustainable. >> It isn't.

And it raises a really important question which the summit addressed.

The conversation has shifted from what can tech do >> to what should it do? >> Exactly.

If we rely solely on AI for answers, what happens to human critical thinking? >> We're outsourcing our judgment. >> Are we building the guard rails to keep these things aligned with human values? >> It's a huge question, but thankfully the summit didn't just leave everyone in a panic spiral. >> No, they brought in a counterbalance. >> And I love this.

They brought in an astronaut, Tyber Capu. >> This was a brilliant move by the organizers.

Taber Capu spoke about the overview effect. >> I've heard of this.

It's that moment where you realize how tiny and fragile everything is.

It's a wellocumented cognitive shift.

When you see the planet as a single blue marble against the black void, you realize the system is finite.

It's fragile >> and borders disappear. >> Borders disappear.

Problems that seem huge on the ground look very small from that distance. >> So applying that to tourism, it's about seeing the destination not just as a collection of hotels and restaurants, >> but as a living ecosystem.

It's the antidote to the AI anxiety.

AI is about infinite speed and data.

The overview effect is about connection and perspective.

It reminds the industry that we aren't just managing data points. >> We're managing a living world. >> Yeah. >> Okay.

So, we've got the joy of cycling and the cosmic perspective of astronauts.

But now we have to land the spaceship. >> And unfortunately, we are landing it right in the middle of a budget meeting in Vienna. >> The hard cash reality check. >> Yes.

This was at the visitor economy forum in Vienna in November 2025.

And the mood here was very different. >> Not euphoric, I take it. >> No, not at all.

It was described as routine, but with a lot of tension, and the source of that tension is pretty clear.

Money >> in terms of the lack of it. >> Vienna is facing a massive budget deficit.

If left unchecked, the deficit could hit 150% of the budget by 2030. >> Wow. >> So, the city needs revenue and they are looking at their cash cow. tourism.

They're tapping the tourists. >> They are.

They made a controversial decision to raise the local tourism tax, the Orts tax. >> And how much is that going up? >> It's currently at 3.2% of the hotel bill.

In July 2026, it jumps to 5%. >> Okay, that's a big jump. >> And the plan is to eventually push it to 8%. >> 8%.

Going from 3.2% to 8% is huge.

That isn't just a rounding error on a hotel bill. >> It is not.

But if we connect this to the bigger picture, it's not just about Vienna managing its books.

There was a keynote speech by a German economist, Yen Sudakum, that apparently really shook the room. >> What was his message? >> He gave a warning about de-industrialization. >> De-industrialization in Germany.

Germany is industry. >> And the engine is sputtering.

He presented stats showing that sectors like steel and electronics in Germany were down 17% in a single year. >> 17%.

That is a collapse, not a dip. >> It is significant.

And his argument was that Germany and by extension the region can no longer rely on exports to the US or China >> because of trade wars and tariffs. >> Right.

So the implication is that they must rely on internal growth sectors. >> And one of the few sectors that can still grow internally is tourism. >> Exactly.

Tourism isn't just nice to have anymore.

It's becoming a lifeboat for the economy.

As the factories slow down, the service sector has to pick up the slack.

So Vienna's strategy isn't to just flood the city with more people. >> No, because they have another problem.

Prices in Austria have risen 48% since 2019. >> So they're losing price competitiveness. >> They are.

So their response is something they call optimum tourism, >> which means >> it means focusing entirely on luxury and high value guests.

If you can't be the cheapest, you have to be the most premium. >> Value over volume. >> They want fewer tourists. but tourists who are willing to pay that 8% tax without blinking. >> It makes sense economically, but it definitely changes the vibe of a city.

It risks becoming a playground for the wealthy. >> It does.

And it forces the industry to look at sustainability not just as a green thing, but as a survival mechanism >> to attract those high-value guests, you need to offer a high-value environment. >> You got it. >> Which brings us to our next segment, sustainability on the ground.

Because it's easy to talk about being green at a conference, but what are they actually doing?

Well, the sources mention the MIC sector.

That's meetings, incentives, conferences exhibitions. >> Okay. >> In Hungary, they've introduced the MZ code.

It's a new sustainability handbook based on global GSTC standards. >> I noticed in the notes that they are gamifying it.

I love that approach. >> It's smart.

It's not just turn off the lights.

It's about knowing your suppliers, saving energy, and making it a challenge rather than a chore. >> Right.

But beyond the corporate stuff, there's this fascinating concept called peoplepowered tourism.

This is an inter Danube project. >> And the goal is what?

To reduce overcrowding >> basically.

Diverting tourists to less visited neighborhoods, but not by forcing them or banning them from the center >> by luring them with grandmas >> essentially.

They highlighted examples like granny's in Vienna baking cakes for tourists. >> That's amazing. >> It creates social cohesion.

You aren't just buying a cake.

You're having a cultural exchange with a local senior in a neighborhood you might never have visited otherwise. >> That is fantastic.

So much more rewarding than standing in a queue at a museum.

And they also mentioned pop-up hotels. >> Yes.

Taking dead retail space, empty shops in quieter neighborhoods, and turning them into accommodation.

It revitalizes the street and spreads the economic impact. >> I love that.

And speaking of human and weird, we have to talk about the little colorful stories from the episode.

Ah, yes. >> These are the things that really stick in your brain.

First up, the edible forest. >> The hater do.

This is led by a forester named Jula Budso.

And you're right, this isn't just hiking.

It's dinner. >> They describe a dinner at Andreasi Garden that featured things like pine bud tonic. >> Pinebud tonic, nettle seeds, and forest consé. >> It sounds a bit hipster, doesn't it? a little, but it taps into that primal huntergatherer instinct.

Modern life is so detached from the source of our food. >> That's true. >> Going into a forest and realizing, "Oh, I can eat that pine tree." Creates a very deep, visceral connection to nature. >> I'd try the pine bud tonic for sure.

But here is the story that absolutely won the episode for me. >> I think I know where you're going. >> The Kovac Balazes conference. >> This is a gem.

So just to be clear for our listener, one of the podcast hosts from our source material is named Kovac Baz, but this story is about a different Kovac Baz, >> right?

A scientist who realized that his name is incredibly common in…

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